i think if we do go off the cliff and recession, i think the fiscal cliff is completely unpredic unpredict-- predictable, especially with a fragile economy, the wall street and the corporate economists are deeply scared about it. that recession really would, you know, wreck his term because we would be obsessed with that for the next couple of years. and so i don't think it's a total walk for him but he clearly has the upper hand. and then there is just the sheer fact of the numbers. say they reach a compromise. i think the republicans are likely to cave on the rate and you close a few deductions. >> do you think they will. >> i do. >> because they are saying they are not going to cave. >> there is going to be no deal on that. they are to the going to go into january, as mark said, and say to the country, hey, we're going to raise your taxes but we have to serve the rich people. they're just not going to do that with the polls, so they're going to cave. they will not get up to 39% but they could get to 37. so say you get to 1.2 trillion in revenue. you still need spending cuts so the presi